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Given the current political climate...

I am so glad I'm spayed!!

Seriously, folks, if you don't like abortion, don't have one! But butt the fuck out of someone else's control over their own life and body!! Your damned religion isn't binding on the rest of the fucking world!

You know, if every time a kid died of abuse or neglect, the father had his nuts cut off, I bet abortion would become a sacrament. I bet if every time a kid who was born when the mother was underage got convicted of a crime, the father of the kid and the father of the girl had their nuts cut off, it would be a holy rite.

Do you know why crime started dropping (and they started making more things criminal to keep the jail guards working) in the 90s? Roe v Wade in the 70s enabled lots of poor, unwed, desperate girls to abort the kids who would otherwise be today's criminals. And yes, I'm talking about white, black, hispanic and everything else.

Yes, the abortion restrictions that are coming down the pipe will screw over poor and minority girls the most. Where else are the wealthy white male rethuglicans and religious reich goons going to get their docile "saved" cannon fodder? Yep, the desperate poor. The army is always a better bet than starving. Even if you get dead, you at least had a meal in the last day, and the government pays for your burial. If you drink the salvation koolaid, you get the snazzy house in the hereafter.

They have to make sure that their new hordes of hungry poor don't get too much education, though. So they make sure to whack funding for fair, thorough, secular education past a minimal ability to read a recruiting brochure, along with the ability to get an abortion, and eventually birth control or information about pregnancy prevention. After all, they can't learn anything but what the masters want them to.

This is only partly about race, but more about class, wealth, and priviledge. Rich, white, conservative men are the only ones who stand to gain. Poor men, and all women are screwed. Not only that, but even if you are a white guy, unless your daddy was rich and wanted you, you're still going to be fucked.


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Jan. 24th, 2006 01:16 am (UTC)
The quote was:

"If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."

-- Florynce Kennedy, 1973

And she's still right, almost 33 years later.
Jan. 24th, 2006 02:06 am (UTC)
Yep, and I deliberately mangled it.
Jan. 24th, 2006 03:02 am (UTC)
and the government pays for your burial. I think you may want to check on that. As far as I know the goverbment provides a cemetery where military persons, including veterans, can be buried, i.e. the plot. I believe the opening and closing and all the rest of the funeral expenses are paid by the family of the deceased, unless they died on foreign soil in active service whence they do get a coffin. Otherwise it is a flag and a thank you for your service. I just got that for Bill

As for the rest of your rant, hadn't you better think a bit about it? I support the right of a woman to abort a pregnancy in the first trimester and possibly even in the second under certain conditions. After that, I think abortion should only be allowed to save the life of the mother and even then I believe C-section birth to be preferable to partial birth abortion. That is for the record. Now, aren't you glad you were born in the 60's? Is it not true that you might not have been here had Rowe vs. Wade been in effect in 1960?

Right to life is not just a christian thing. There are many people who believe that a fetus becomes viable at the moment of conception and that there are other options open to pregnant women which do not involve abortion. There are also psychological effects of abortion which can last or surface years later. Some people are concerned that allowing abortions at will will cause problems for the mother later in her life.

I am middle of the road on this one. I could not abort a baby. That is because I happen to believe that children are a miracle. Not everyone can have children. I also believe that a woman has the right to decide, within the first trimester of a pregnancy, whether or not she wants that child. At that point it is still a parasite which could not live outside of the womb. I have a real problem with aborting and allowing to die a fetus which is large enough and old enough to survive outside of the womb. I think that there should be some provision of law which allows a woman to give over her parental rights to such a fetus, irrevocably. That way if she wishes to rid herself of that fetus, she may, but at the cost of her parental rights. By the same token, I don't believe that fathers should have any parental rights to such fetuses either. Now, please get that I see a big difference between a woman who wants to abort her fetus and one who is trying to have a child and miscarries in the second or third trimester such that the child is able to survive outside of the womb. This last is a family tragedy which all hope will end well, a premature birth as opposed to an aborted fetus.

This is a complex issue. I don't believe that you are seeing it clearly when you blame christians for the ending of Rowe vs. Wade. That is a gross oversimplification. Believe it or not, people make their decisions about abortion based on more than their religious affiliation. It is not only christians who have a problem with the idea of killing a viable fetus.

One thing that you are right on about is that not having abortion legal hurts poor people more than any other group. It also tends to hurt blacks and hispanics more than whites. I think part of this, however, is a matter of education as much as it is a matter of income level.

There is an aunt that I will never know because of a botched abortion. There is a mother in our family who is now on mind altering drugs, possibly because she can have but one child now due to the scars left from previous legal abortions. The knife cuts both ways. Still, I would rather keep abortion legal. Women will get abortions, The question is really whether or not they will get them legally under sanitary conditions or in some back alley under the worst of conditions.
Jan. 24th, 2006 05:09 pm (UTC)
I support the right of a woman to abort a pregnancy in the first trimester and possibly even in the second under certain conditions.

Here we agree.

After that, I think abortion should only be allowed to save the life of the mother and even then I believe C-section birth to be preferable to partial birth abortion. That is for the record.

There is no such medical procedure as "partial birth abortion". Also, that C-section birth will still be expensive (premie), unwanted, and all of it at taxpayer expense. If the fetus is viable without heroic measures (i.e. full life support), the mother has waited to long - it's an independant life form, but she has the right to have it extracted (delivered) from her body.

Now, aren't you glad you were born in the 60's? Is it not true that you might not have been here had Rowe vs. Wade been in effect in 1960?

IMO, the mother should have the choice, safe and legal, even if it meant that I would not exist. Yes, I exist, but so do a lot of broken people who would have been better not to be.

I do not consider children a miracle - they are a biological process that has been occuring for hundreds of thousands of years. No miracles required. Even plant species reproduce. The difference between man and animals is that we can chose when, and whether, to reproduce. We have control over our biological imperatives. We chose.
Jan. 25th, 2006 05:19 am (UTC)
FWIW . . . it's a choice. By definition, if she chooses to abort, she doesn't want the kid and it doesn't do the kid any good to force her to carry it.

When life begins is irrelevant, unless someone believes all killing is wrong. In which case I trust they oppose armed police, all wars, meat animals, . . . ?

"Miracle" means "something so wonderful you are in awe of it," unless one thinks only some things in this world are amazing and the rest is humdrum. In which case I am sorry for that person and if he/she is religious, I think she/he needs to think about it . . . Of course kids are a miracle. But so's my big toe and so's the medical science that makes abortion safe and, yes, far less traumatic than being forced to carry when you really cannot abide the notion.

Good entry. Sadly, the fact that the vast majority of Americans support choice doesn't matter to the blue-nosed control freaks who now run the place.

Jan. 25th, 2006 11:11 pm (UTC)
" We have control over our biological imperatives. We chose."

Try telling that to couples who have been choosing to have children but who have not been able to conceive for years. There is more involved than just our choice. I don't care what you call that force that creates a life, it is still there.
Jan. 26th, 2006 09:24 pm (UTC)
Hey, this is Kotie. I changed my username and took everyone off of my list on accident (d'oh). If you could add me again I'd be reaalllyyy happy *pleading eyes*.
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