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Surprised? No!

So a Christian Fundamentalist committed a major act of terrorism in Norway, and people are acting all shocked, like they can't believe it. Guess what, folks? Right Wing Christian Fundamentalists, especially Dominionists, are just as terroristic in nature as Al Queda and their ilk. It's perfectly acceptable in their world view to "Kill a 'Commie' for Christ" or a gay, Muslim, woman, liberal, jew, black, etc. Who the hell do you think started the Crusades, anyway? It wasn't the Muslims, folks! Who did the Inquisition?

Right wing Christian fundamentalist extremism has been glossed over, passed off as the work of "lone wolves", or "fringe groups" that "aren't really Christian". Guess what? They go to "Christian" churches, wear crosses, read bibles, pray to Jesus, etc. They are just as "Christian" as the Muslim terrorists are Muslim. You don't get to say they "aren't really" members of the dominant religion in the Western world.

You say that if the Muslims don't stop the Muslim terrorists, then they are complicit. Well, guess what, folks, that sword cuts both ways: If average peaceful Christians don't stop Christian terrorists, they are just as complicit as average peaceful Muslims are in Muslim terror.

If you think it's not a problem, do a few google searches on words like "steeplejacking" and "dominionism". Check out SPLC and their right wing watch. White Militant Right Wing Christian groups are very, very popular. A lot of them are behind the Tea Party, and call them selves "Libertarian", too.

I feel sorry for the people in Norway, with their peace shattered by something within their own society. Let's hope they're smarter about how they deal with it than we were.


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Jul. 24th, 2011 10:18 am (UTC)

Right wing Christian fundamentalist extremism has been glossed over, passed off as the work of "lone wolves", or "fringe groups" that "aren't really Christian".

It's different when white Western folks do it! They're not Scary Brown People!
Jul. 24th, 2011 05:27 pm (UTC)
The difference is that when the Funny Mental X-Stains perform acts of terrorism, they are violating the precepts of their religion.

When Moslems murder the innocent to spread fear, mutilate prisoners of war, and slaughter anyone who tries to leave or in any way reform the religion, they are obeying specific instructions set down in black-letter holy writ in the Koran.


Incidentally, do you happen to know if this guy killed any Jews? If he did, he may be eligible for a Nobel Peace Prize... judging by the Norwegian Parliament's record in awarding them.
Jul. 24th, 2011 11:15 pm (UTC)
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." is in the Christian bible.

Sorry, the blood lust is in Christianity too, in black and white. Killing firstborn children, smiting enemies, nuking entire towns...

The JCI religions are steeped in blood, IMO - usually each other's.
Aug. 1st, 2011 08:59 am (UTC)
Book , Chapter and Verse please ----- humor me
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" --- Book, chapter and verse please. I don't doubt that it is in the Bible. There are many things in the Bible that are historical, Old Testament ideas which are not consistent with the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament. People can pervert any religion and can take any idea to its extreme and get an excuse to kill those who disagree with them. Yes, Christians have killed throughout history. Um, by the way, so have some witches. We ALL need to learn to live and let live, to agree to disagree and realize that it is the differences that keep us growing, keep life interesting and stimulate creativity. Peace--- Mamasan
Aug. 2nd, 2011 09:39 am (UTC)
Re: Book , Chapter and Verse please ----- humor me
Exodus 22:18-20

King James Version (KJV)

18 - Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

19 - Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

20 - He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

biblegateway.com, KJV

Exodus 22:18-20

American Standard Version (ASV)

18 Thou shalt not suffer a sorceress to live.

19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto Jehovah only, shall be utterly destroyed.

-- biblegateway.com, ASV
Aug. 1st, 2011 11:24 pm (UTC)
Apparently you haven't read the Koran-- not even in translation.

Islam, within the pages of the Koran and also in the Hadith, has many passages that explicitly forbid killing prisoners of war, fighting and killing non-combatants, fighting and killing women and children, and that explicitly forbid committing suicide. Too many other things are in there about fighting wars, and about when, why, and how to fight for me to call it a religion of peace-- but Islam (in its tenets as written down in their holy books) does not permit the kind of deeds that terrorist groups are committing "in the name of God".

Which is to say.... yes, they're just like many Christians throughout history, violating the tenets of their own holy books. The problem is more noticeable in that too few moderate, decent moslems stand up and speak out about the misdeeds being committed by self-proclaimed "good moslems". In the case of the attack in Norway, most christian groups and churches have been speaking out and saying that those killings were wrong, rather than staying silent as too many moslems do regarding the deeds of Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, etc.

On the point that they kill anyone who, having been a moslem, tries to abandon that faith? Now,that *is* in the Koran. Unfortunate for them when they try to explain the reasonableness of their creed.
Aug. 2nd, 2011 04:05 am (UTC)
Pull the other one, 'sgot bells on.

Not only have I gone through three translations (not, I admit, full reading, as it was more than I could stomach), I know a couple of ex-Moslems who have separately told me of these matters.

Both made a point of mentioning that the Koran not only permits, but explicitly commands, a Moslem to lie, even under under oath, when speaking to a non-Moslem in any case where the truth would be damaging to any Moslem.

"Any Moslem" includes total strangers.

"Damage" extends all the way down to the possibility of embarassment.

"In any case" covers matters of life and death.

You have been lied to about the Koran.

Unless you're a Moslem yourself, in which case your post is also explained. I doubt this is the case, however, as your post does not possess that arrogance unique to the Faith of Rape.
Aug. 2nd, 2011 05:34 am (UTC)
I've read several translations of the Koran, as part of my former job with the U.S. Army (no, I'm not a moslem. I did have to study their books, writings, beliefs, etc, though-- learning to understand them does not mean I agree with their beliefs).

You know, the Koran includes a lot of contradictions within it (surprising for a supposedly "perfect" book), but I didn't find any suras within it that cover for most of the actions of terrorists. Perhaps you can ask your ex-moslem friends which suras contain the guidance on slaughtering innocents, prisoners, etc, and commanding the faithful to be suicide bombers. If I get the time (a little busy with school right now), I'll see if I can find where the specific prohibitions against fighting and killing non-combatants are in the Koran-- because those prohibitions ARE in there: I didn't get that from what other people told me about the koran, unless you're prepared to believe that there are several respected translations out there that nonetheless are putting things into the book that aren't there in the original versions.

Regarding lying, to non-moslems... never found that in the Koran, but I'd have to go back and check because that might be in there. As I understand it, the command about lying to non-moslems anytime it would be harmful to moslems to tell the truth is in some of the hadith and some versions of the sunnah-- but, most of those interpretations were said to be Shi'ite, and not universally accepted among Sunni moslems. Lying is in many versions of the faith, but it's not (so far as I know) from the Koran (kind of like confession is part of the Catholic Christian faith, but confessing to a priest is not in the bible).

It's also worth noting, that many moslems, especially in the middle east (and like most "christians" of the middle ages, re- the bible) have never read the Koran themselves-- there's a nasty tradition of just believing whatever the sheiks and imams tell you it says instead of reading it for yourself (something else I ran into in the course of doing my job in a warzone years ago).
Aug. 2nd, 2011 06:22 pm (UTC)

I can believe the actual translations I've read and my friends who barely escaped the religion that invented terrorism.

Or I can believe someone who sounds like a CAIR press release.

Jul. 24th, 2011 07:01 pm (UTC)
A fanatic of ANY strain is a really horrible thing. There is no room on this planet for Fanatics.
Jul. 24th, 2011 10:41 pm (UTC)
Let's kill them all.
Aug. 1st, 2011 11:26 pm (UTC)
"If average peaceful Christians don't stop Christian terrorists, they are just as complicit..."

In a word: Yes. They are.
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